Scoring Chances for NHL Game Number 20029| Team | Period | Time | Note | MIN | Opponent | |
| MIN | 1 | 19:08 | | 6 | 8 | 9 | 14 | 15 | 32 | 7 | 9 | 10 | 15 | 27 | 35 | 5v5 |
| ANA | 1 | 17:56 | | 3 | 11 | 17 | 25 | 32 | 34 | 13 | 19 | 22 | 34 | 35 | 48 | 5v5 |
| MIN | 1 | 13:35 | | 5 | 11 | 17 | 25 | 32 | 55 | 7 | 14 | 19 | 20 | 35 | | 5v4 |
| MIN | 1 | 13:03 | | 6 | 8 | 20 | 22 | 32 | 51 | 4 | 5 | 11 | 22 | 35 | | 5v4 |
| MIN | 1 | 12:20 | | 3 | 21 | 32 | 34 | 36 | 67 | 5 | 16 | 20 | 24 | 34 | 35 | 5v5 |
| ANA | 1 | 11:02 | | 8 | 9 | 14 | 17 | 32 | 55 | 7 | 9 | 10 | 15 | 34 | 35 | 5v5 |
| ANA | 1 | 9:36 | | 3 | 20 | 22 | 32 | 34 | 51 | 4 | 5 | 13 | 22 | 35 | 48 | 5v5 |
| ANA | 1 | 3:42 | | 3 | 5 | 9 | 25 | 32 | | 10 | 14 | 15 | 27 | 35 | 48 | 4v5 |
| MIN | 2 | 19:37 | | 5 | 20 | 22 | 32 | 51 | 55 | 13 | 14 | 19 | 34 | 35 | 48 | 5v5 |
| ANA | 2 | 15:03 | Goal | 8 | 15 | 21 | 32 | 34 | 67 | 8 | 11 | 14 | 19 | 34 | 35 | 5v5 |
| MIN | 2 | 14:08 | | 8 | 20 | 22 | 32 | 51 | 55 | 4 | 8 | 11 | 14 | 19 | 35 | 5v5 |
| ANA | 2 | 13:01 | | 5 | 9 | 14 | 15 | 32 | 55 | 9 | 10 | 15 | 19 | 34 | 35 | 5v5 |
| ANA | 2 | 12:54 | Goal | 8 | 9 | 14 | 15 | 32 | 55 | 10 | 15 | 19 | 24 | 27 | 35 | 5v5 |
| ANA | 2 | 9:05 | Goal | 5 | 21 | 25 | 32 | 55 | | 8 | 10 | 11 | 19 | 34 | 35 | 4v5 |
| ANA | 2 | 2:13 | | 5 | 11 | 17 | 21 | 32 | 55 | 8 | 9 | 11 | 27 | 34 | 35 | 5v5 |
| ANA | 3 | 17:50 | | 6 | 8 | 11 | 17 | 25 | 32 | 9 | 10 | 15 | 19 | 34 | 35 | 5v5 |
| MIN | 3 | 14:39 | | 3 | 14 | 15 | 25 | 32 | 34 | 4 | 5 | 8 | 11 | 14 | 35 | 5v5 |
| MIN | 3 | 14:08 | | 5 | 11 | 17 | 25 | 32 | 55 | 7 | 11 | 22 | 27 | 35 | | 5v4 |
| MIN | 3 | 13:31 | Goal | 3 | 8 | 9 | 14 | 15 | 32 | 13 | 19 | 34 | 35 | 48 | | 5v4 |
| ANA | 3 | 10:42 | | 3 | 5 | 21 | 22 | 32 | | 7 | 8 | 11 | 27 | 35 | | 4v4 |
| MIN | 3 | 7:50 | Goal | 3 | 14 | 17 | 25 | 32 | 34 | 7 | 13 | 22 | 27 | 35 | 48 | 5v5 |
| MIN | 3 | 5:15 | | 6 | 8 | 14 | 17 | 25 | 32 | 13 | 19 | 22 | 34 | 35 | 48 | 5v5 |
| ANA | 3 | 3:38 | | 3 | 8 | 9 | 15 | 22 | 32 | 7 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 27 | 35 | 5v5 |
| MIN | 3 | 3:19 | | 3 | 8 | 9 | 15 | 22 | 32 | 9 | 10 | 15 | 19 | 34 | 35 | 5v5 |
| MIN | 3 | 3:02 | | 3 | 8 | 9 | 14 | 15 | 32 | 11 | 22 | 27 | 34 | 35 | | 5v4 |
| MIN | 4 | 1:52 | Goal | 5 | 15 | 25 | 32 | 55 | | 7 | 15 | 19 | 35 | | | 4v3 |
| # | Player | EV | PP | SH |
| 3 | M. ZIDLICKY | 15:18 | 4 | 4 | 5:13 | 2 | 0 | 0:53 | 0 | 1 |
| 5 | K. JOHNSSON | 21:22 | 1 | 3 | 2:10 | 3 | 0 | 1:30 | 0 | 2 |
| 6 | G. ZANON | 15:14 | 2 | 1 | 0:08 | 1 | 0 | 1:55 | 0 | 0 |
| 8 | B. BURNS | 17:29 | 4 | 5 | 5:07 | 3 | 0 | 1:55 | 0 | 0 |
| 9 | M. KOIVU | 19:48 | 2 | 4 | 4:00 | 2 | 0 | 1:28 | 0 | 1 |
| 11 | O. NOLAN | 11:34 | 0 | 3 | 3:03 | 2 | 0 | 0:33 | 0 | 0 |
| 14 | M. HAVLAT | 17:44 | 4 | 3 | 3:40 | 2 | 0 | 0:14 | 0 | 0 |
| 15 | A. BRUNETTE | 15:07 | 3 | 4 | 3:21 | 3 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 17 | P. SYKORA | 12:35 | 2 | 4 | 3:02 | 2 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 20 | A. MIETTINEN | 14:31 | 2 | 1 | 0:17 | 1 | 0 | 0:22 | 0 | 0 |
| 21 | K. BRODZIAK | 11:06 | 1 | 3 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 | 1:38 | 0 | 1 |
| 22 | C. CLUTTERBUCK | 15:38 | 3 | 3 | 0:49 | 1 | 0 | 1:16 | 0 | 0 |
| 25 | E. BELANGER | 10:13 | 3 | 2 | 3:15 | 3 | 0 | 0:34 | 0 | 2 |
| 32 | N. BACKSTROM | 51:55 | 8 | 10 | 7:32 | 6 | 0 | 3:39 | 0 | 2 |
| 34 | S. HNIDY | 11:57 | 3 | 3 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 | 0:14 | 0 | 0 |
| 36 | J. SCOTT | 3:10 | 1 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 51 | J. SHEPPARD | 13:05 | 2 | 1 | 0:17 | 1 | 0 | 1:13 | 0 | 0 |
| 55 | N. SCHULTZ | 23:01 | 2 | 4 | 1:54 | 3 | 0 | 0:51 | 0 | 1 |
| 67 | B. POULIOT | 5:11 | 1 | 1 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| Period | Totals | EV | PP | 5v3 PP | SH | 5v3 SH |
| 1 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| 2 | 2 | 5 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| 3 | 7 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Totals | 14 | 12 | 8 | 10 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 |
Note: The Third Minnesota goal, which was scored by Belanger with 2:12 left in the third period, was not counted as a scoring chance. I thought had Giguere should have made the save, an observation that was corroborated by the comments of the broadcasting duo as well as Giguere's post-goal demeanor.
wow, really?
ReplyDeletei just watched the highlight - first off, i thought you guys were basically counting direct shots on net as scoring chances? secondly, i could see a shot on net not being a scoring chance if it's like a dump-in from center ice or something, but this shot was near the faceoff circle!
*****I'm not necessarily saying i disagree with you, just curious what your reasoning is.******
what do you think the probability of that shot being a goal is? (approximately) What minimum probability do you think should count as a "scoring chance"?
(here's the goal btw... scroll to 4:30...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTmq5BPVapo
The definition I've employed is almost identical to Scott's, as described by him over at IOF. Here's what he said:
ReplyDelete"For me the scoring chances include a clear play directed toward the net from a dangerous scoring area (loosely defined as the top of the circle in and inside the faceoff dots, though I admit I'm sometimes slightly more generous depending on the movement of the puck and the player) or a screen shot that reaches the goaltender (and again sometimes I'm more generous with these once taking puck and player movement into consideration which sometimes results in a higher number of PP chances)."
So, applying that definition to the Belanger shot, I don't think that it qualifies. At the time the puck was released, Belanger was outside of the dangerous area described above. There was no screen, and the shot ought not to have taken Giguere by surprise (i.e. it wasn't a onetimer, etc). Both the announcers and myself agreed that Giguere should have made the save.
Judging from the first two games you've scored I think you're probably a little less generous than Dennis and I, but I think it's more important that we stay consistent individually for now and then rigourously compare the games we have in common.
ReplyDeleteOn that particular shot, it was a pretty brutal goal. I probably would count it simply because I count almost everything that goes in unless it's truly ridiculous but if Giguere had made the save I don't think I would have counted that one.
It's possible that I'm scoring chances conservatively.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, the Wild both take and draw fewer penalties than the league average, which probably accounts for some of the discrepancy.
Also, outside of perhaps the LA game, the games that I've scored chances for thus far seemed to be fairly 'low event' contests in comparison to other games I've watched this year.
To give one example, I thought that the Habs-Oilers game last night was a fairly exciting contest with lots of chances at both ends of the rink. Not surprisingly, there were more chances in that game (as recorded by Dennis and Olivier) than in any Wild game played to date.
After so few games it's difficult to tell for sure. Like I said earlier, I think it's most important that each of us stays consistent at first and then as we score more games together we can start to see the differences in our scoring more clearly and adjust from there. If you are indeed more conservative, I think that's probably where we will end up leaning (apparently a lot of NHL teams rate the chances in "A" "B" "C" fashion so I wouldn't be very surpised if some of us are doing As and Bs while others are doing As, Bs and Cs).
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